~~ The Seven Spirits ~~
Re 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: Re 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. Re 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Re 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. Re 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Now notice that this ‘woman’ is said to sit upon many waters. These waters are all the peoples of this world, every nation and tongue. Yet these are also the seven mountains where this woman sits. So then we see that the peoples of this world are also these mountains. So these mountains are the peoples of the world, and they are the beast, for she sits upon all of these. Now these mountains have a king over them. So there are seven kings. Re 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. So these seven kings are the seven spirits over these peoples of the world. These spirits are spirits of devils. God is said to have seven spirits also. See than that the wicked one seeks to be known as God, so he ‘impersonates’ God. What are the seven spirits of God? Did any of you ever seek for this answer and find it? Well I did. Here is what I found: ( I wrote a message on these seven spirits one time, but do not know where it is. Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; Now right here we have listed four of these seven spirits of the Lord. Who are they upon? Re 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS OF God sent forth into all the earth. So we see that Jesus, the Lamb of God, is the one who has these seven spirits of God. So the first is the spirit of the LORD. He said the Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, for He has anointed me. So this is Jesus with the seven spirits of God. The second spirit is the spirit of wisdom and understanding. The third spirit is the spirit of counsel and might. Fourth is the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD. Isa 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. So there you have the means by which the Lord will wash away the filth of the daughters of Zion. The fifth spirit is the spirit of judgment. The Sixth is the spirit of burning. The seventh spirit is found in Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ, so this seventh spirit upon Jesus was that of grace and truth. These are the seven spirits of God which were upon Jesus Christ.
Now I wish to show you the seven spirits which Jesus gave to his saints. Ro 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 1co 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness? (Remember how Jesus said I am Meek and Lowly? Well, he gave this spirit to his disciples also.) 1Pet 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. (The Spirit of the Lord God was upon Jesus. So the spirit of Christ was upon his disciples. See how this works?) God gave his seven spirits to Jesus, thus anointing Jesus to be as God. Jesus gave his seven spirits to his disciples, thus anointing them to be as Jesus.) John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. Re 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Re 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
So the seven spirits which Jesus gave us is: 1. Spirit of adoption. 2. Meekness. 3. Spirit of Christ. 4. Truth. 5. Glory 6. Life 7. And the spirit of prophecy. So with these seven spirits we may become in His image. With God’s seven spirits upon Jesus, he could become in the image of God.
So now, to our message, the seven spirits of Satan. Why would Satan have seven spirits? Remember he desired to be God, so he is a counterfeit. He copies all that God is and does, in order to deceive people into worshiping him as God. Re 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth See that the Lamb has seven horns and seven eyes. These are the seven spirits of God. Horn in Scripture represents a king or head, so these spirits are heads. So Satan also has seven heads, horns, or spirits upon which his kingdom sits and from which it is ruled. See the counterfeit copy?
So now, these spirits will mimic those seven spirits of Christ. Jesus said I am meek and lowly. So his opponent is right the opposite. Where does this show up? Just as I have taught, in Adam, that old serpent, desiring to rule over everyone else. Adam, that old dragon, desiring to be God and have power. Ge 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
All of the OT law system runs by certain ones RULING over the others. This is law. It is how Adam gained control over Eve and the world. His lust for power is this first spirit of Satan. It showed up even in the disciples of the Lord, until He taught them how wrong this evil is. His own disciples were arguing and disputing among themselves of who should be the GREATEST and rule, one on the right hand and the other on the left hand of Jesus when he sets up his kingdom. But what did Jesus tell them? With you it shall not be so, that one RULE over the others. You are all ONE, or equals. Satan wants no part of being equal. His entire nature and kingdom is of ruling over others, of being lifted up in pride over all others. Adam was so proud of his BEAUTY. All the trees in the garden of Eden became jealous and envious of Adam, because of his power and beauty. He was lifting himself up in his height and lording over all the others. This is his spirit of lust for power.
It shows up in our world all over the place. The churches are full of this lust for power and greatness. The pastors all wish to rule over the other members of the church. The pope rules over the others. The priests rule over the others. In governments of men, they rule over others. The world is full of this evil spirit of Satan. The husbands wish to rule over their wives. It is everywhere. Only a few true Christians, with the spirit of Christ, meekness, will ever get beyond and above this evil spirit of lust for power. It rules this entire world. It is totally in the church system, proving it is of Satan.
What was the sin of the Pharisees? They sit in the seat of Moses. This means they were using law to rule over others. So they were of Satan. Jesus rebuked them for this, and told his disciples not to go into this way of life. So now we find that this spirit of ruling over others is one of those heads the woman, kingdom of Satan, sits upon. This evil kingdom in into this ruling the world over. So it is one of the ruling heads of Satan’s kingdom.
Jesus had the spirit of life. This is manifest in kindness and love. His kingdom will eradicate all violence, even in the animal world. He said the lion and bear will play together and nothing will hurt anything else in his Holy Mountain, or kingdom. Violence is a spirit of Satan. It is death. It is hate. It is evil. It is one of these spirit heads upon which this harlot woman sits. Violence is world wide now as it was in the days before the flood. Adam’s kingdom was filled with violence then. It is the reason God destroyed that kingdom with the flood. Only those of us who acquire the spirit of love and gentleness, as Christ was, will not go into this violent spirit. The entire world is filled right today with this evil violence. It is this spirit of Satan destroying the world, his kingdom. It is worldwide, as those waters upon which the whore sits. Violence does not come from God. It comes from Satan. It is a spirit of Adam and Cain. Remember how Cain killed Abel? It was this evil spirit of violence from his father, Adam. Also a descendant of his killed a young man. So this violent spirit was in that race of Adam. |
I have taught how everything in this world now, shows the condition of Adam’s world. It is in this knowledge that we can see these seven evil spirits of Satan manifest. The third evil spirit is pride, haughtiness, or outward show. Remember how God said man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart, or inner man. Well Adam or Satan deals strictly in this prideful spirit of outward show. It is fully manifest in all his kingdom. It is especially manifest and evident in the church world, for this is Satan’s seat, or ruling throne.
Just look at how the churches all dote so much on tall, beautiful expensive buildings. Just look at how magnificent that tabernacle Moses built in the wilderness was. It was the seat of Satan’s kingdom at that time. Sure it was. Law! Then just look at the fabulous temple Solomon built. That thing was not of God, it was of Satan. It was this show, pride, haughty, lifting self up above others thing. God did not tell any of them to build him a building. In fact He told them not to think they could build him a house to dwell in. Yet they went right ahead. They are still working it for all their might. It is Satan at work. They must have the most expensive building in town, with lavish carpet, stained glass window, and all manner of art, high steeples etc. Do you think for one minute that God receives any glory from all of this? No! Indeed not. It is only the works of man. It only glorifies Satan. Jesus told Peter, get thee behind me, SATAN, for thou (Peter) art an offense to me FOR you savor the things which be of MAN and not of God. This is how I know that Adam set up these same kinds of ‘church’ temples in his day. It is his spirit.
So big tall expensive buildings are only an outward show of the works and pride of man. It is not of God. Jesus told those religious hypocrites, the Pharisees, you build the tombs of the prophets and yet your fathers killed them. You appear OUTWARD as religious, yet you are full of dead men’s bones on the INSIDE WHERE GOD LOOKS. For more proof, just look at how so many churches have long, fancy gowns for the choir people to wear. Watch the fancy robes of the priests and popes. Look at the fancy suits other preachers must wear! Look at the fancy dresses and suits the members wear. It is all pride and outward show. So there you have the third spirit or head of the evil kingdom of Satan, this harlot woman.
Next we find that Satan uses false teachings, or doctrinal spirits to deceive with. This is his fourth spirit or head, false doctrine or lies. He goes exactly the opposite of real truth, yet he presents it is such a way as to totally deceive the world with. Satan has deceived this whole world. How? He lifted law up as the true way of God. Yet we find that God said he HATES the entire Law system. So this is his deadly blow to the world, teaching lies as if is truth. Anything Jesus said he does and is, this evil spirit of false doctrine says, no he is not. Jesus said he heals the sick. Satan says not any more. You must go to a doctor or hospital. You must take all manner of drugs in order to get well. He even says that God wants you sick, for this glorifies him. These false teachers say God uses sickness to break your will and to humble you. It is not truth. It is a spirit of Satan. It is a spirit of infirmity. Jesus said the woman who had been bowed down with the crooked back for eighteen years had been held by a spirit of infirmity of Satan. SATAN. Satan had bound this daughter of God eighteen years. Jesus himself said this.
We hear of so many who ask why did God afflict me or my loved ones. Why did God send that storm and destroy everything? But Jesus rebuked the storm and said it was of Satan. See? Satan does his evil and blames it on God by the mouths of his servants. God is love and gentleness and a healer. Satan is the opposite. He kills and makes you sick. He sends storms to destroy you. Yet you are worshipping Satan. It is his spirit or head upon which this harlot woman sits.
Tradition is the fifth spirit of Satan. Jesus taught us not to go by the traditions of man. Yet this is exactly what Satan rules with, tradition, for it has all been handed down from his original kingdom on the other side of the flood. You can trace all the traditional holidays to beyond the flood. You can historically trace them all the way back to Nimrod and his wife. But it goes back beyond them. Dec. 24 is called the feast of Adam and Eve, so it dates to the other side of the flood. All of these things comes from Adam or Satan. His love for money is present right today as a foolish tradition that churches must pay a man to preach to them. It is his mark. This love for money is Satan’s mark. So when churches dote so on money, it is only the tradition from their father, Adam, the devil. Jesus showed how the Pharisees say their gold is for a gift, so they would not have to help their old fathers and mothers. He said, Full well you reject the counsel of God and hold to your TRADITIONS. God had said to honour your father and mother. Yet they would leave their parents destitute and claim they had to give their money to the temple. It was fully of Satan, this tradition of giving money to the temple instead of helping the needy. Right today, I know of people, young, single mothers, who are not able to feed their families. There are church members in the family, which could easily provide for this family, until she can get back on her feet. But will they lift a finger or give a dime to help this family? Of course not. They must pay their preacher a big fat salary, even though he works elsewhere. It is Satan or man worship. It is tradition instead of obeying God’s word to help those in need. Jesus said if you do it to the least of my brethren, you do it to me. |
I know of preachers who run from house to house gathering tithes from poor families who are not even able to get out to church. He goes to them to get his money. It is Satan at work. They believe this is serving God, for it is man’s tradition. These workers of Satan actually convince themselves and the families that they are helping them get to heaven, by giving them a chance to pay their tithes to GOD. Yes, they claim that if they do not give it to them, they are robbing God. So they are saying that they are God to these people. It is lies and traditions of Satan. It is an evil spirit from Satan, and a head upon which this harlot woman sits.
These same preachers and churches will hold their idolatrous egg hunts, their decorated trees, their gift giving in the name of X-mess, and claim that it is just traditions for the children. Liars they are. It is Satan at work. It is devil worship. Yet they refuse to listen to those of us who teach this truth. They reject the counsel of God to hold to their traditions. This head has full control of them. They would not depart from a false teaching for life or gold. If you try to show them that these things are wrong, they scoff and hold to their traditions and refuse to try to learn any truth. Their traditions means more to them than obeying God, even though they claim to be his bride church. They are the kingdom of Satan, sitting upon these seven heads of spirits. It is world wide. It is many waters, peoples, nations and tongues. They are the waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame.
Now the sixth spirit head is occultism. Most people think it has to be a way-out mess to be a cult. But no. It is all the traditional churches. They are teaching the doctrines of Satan and calling it God. It is just that they are so accepted in our day, that you do not recognize them as cults. But to God and truth, they are ALL cults. Else they would not be keeping such ungodly things as Halloween, X-mess, Easter, New years night celebrations in their churches. They would not be out in the world selling anything they can get their hands on, for money. There are many churches who believe in praying to dead saints. This is occultism. Their popes set up saints many years after the person has died. Then the people pray to these dead folks instead of to Jesus. They pray to Mary, instead of to Jesus. It is a spirit of Satan, to get people away from the true God and Jesus Christ.
Many people will drive for many miles just to visit a grave of someone they thought to be a prophet or some other special person. It is devil worship of the worst sort. I know personally of one who died and they have built a large star-shaped building over his grave, for they think this is something highly spiritual. It is of the devil. I actually dreamed of this before it took place. God showed me their building this high up place for his grave. Then we have another one who claimed to be a fore-runner of Jesus. He was killed in a car wreck. People flocked to his grave for years, expecting him to be resurrected and finish his ministry which he had prophesied to do. They are so deceived by this spirit of occultism that they still cannot accept that it was lies and the man is still dead. It is nothing but another spirit of this devil head the woman sits upon. See? It is this false church riding all these evil spirits. It is world wide. It is nations, peoples, tongues. It is clouds without water. It is wandering stars to whom the blackness of darkness is reserved forever. Yet they will not hear. They will not obey and learn truth. They must keep their traditions and cults. Here again it matches what Jesus told the Pharisees of how they garnish the tombs of the prophets and yet killed all the holy men He sent to them. It was their outward show of being righteous when they are full of dead men’s bones. They have this spirit of Satan. They worship their father the devil, Adam. They savor the things which be of MEN and not of God. So man is Satan. They have chosen their own way instead of God’s ways, just as Adam did from the start.
The seventh spirit of Satan, upon which his harlot church sits is ecumenism. Now this one is really a deceiver. It is so easy for most people to be tripped up with this spirit of unity. I see the bad effects of this spirit every day on the computer of religious groups. It is so bad that people will accept anyone of any persuasion into their groups and think this is Christian love. It is presented in such a way that all of us who know we are NOT to honour devil doctrines and false teachings, are made to look like the bad and evil ones. I run into it personally myself a lot. People are totally deceived to think that if we attempt to correct error, we are not in the spirit of love and unity. This unity thing has gotten so far out of hand, that it is causing a total departure from the true people of God, who take a stand against evil and lies.
I know of people who will even allow atheists to teach and have set up special places for them to teach in their groups, all in the name of Christian love and unity. It is this evil spirit of ecumenism. Satan is attempting to bring about a false unity of churches. It is working too. It is now worldwide. This spirit of ecumenism has spread to this entire world. Again we see the proof that it is many nations, peoples, and tongues. Some churches may not be ‘legally’ joined to them, but in action, spirit, and doctrine, they are united, against truth, as God gives truth to the true people of God.
God showed me a dream many years ago of how the entire world of religions had all united except for a handful of true Christians. They were seeking us to kill us, for they said, you handful of Christians are not going to stand in the way of world wide unity. I fully believe that is how it really is and will be. But we are told not to compromise the truth for anyone or anything. Jesus said we must war with Satan and his lies. God had no respect for Cain’s offering. So we are not to respect all these false teachers and lies. God will bring his true Church into a unity, but it cannot be in unity with false doctrines, lies, error, and all manner of devil-worship holidays. We cannot be at ONE with adulterers, liars, thieves, murderers, child-molesters, and all such evil. We cannot give the hand of fellowship to all these false teachings. If we do, we have betrayed the true God.
So see how this last spirit of false unity has ruled over the minds of almost everyone today. If we correct error, we are rebuked. We are put down. We are harassed and hated because we stand for truth and will not compromise. Paul said we cannot eat at the table of devils and the table of Christ. We cannot have communion with Satan. We cannot be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. Yet we are told constantly that we must love and accept them all and be brothers. It is false and will lead you into destruction. It is one of the heads upon which this harlot, false church sits. She sits a queen and requires worship. She claims to be the only true church of God, yet she is a devil in disguise. We must be on guard against all these seven spirits of Satan if we wish to inherit eternal life.
I want to quickly give you the seven spirits Satan gives to his followers: Just as God gave Jesus seven spirits of God, then Jesus gave seven spirits to his disciples to lead them to fullness of Life, so Satan gives seven spirits to his prisoners to lead them to death and hell.
Isa 29:8 It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion. (World against Christ.) (Satan causes people to be hungry and thirsty for the word of life and leaves them empty)
Isa 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. This spirit of deep sleep causes them to never be able to understand truth, to be converted and saved. Isa 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: See the words of the Book is sealed up to them. They cannot ever understand what it is saying, for they are in a deep sleep. Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. Satan afflicts people with this horrible spirit of heaviness, but Jesus delivers. Ro 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. See this spirit of slumber is the same as the spirit of deep sleep. It comes from Satan, because of disbelieving God. Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The true people of God are delivered from this spirit of bondage which Satan brings his people into. It is that heavy burden of law placed upon their necks. Ho 4:12 My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God. Ho 5:4 They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD.
So this spirit of whoredoms has taken this false church totally away from God. Lu 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself. Lu 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day? Now here is the Scripture proving that it was Satan who had placed this spirit of infirmity upon this woman. Satan had bound her, not God. Then we find that Satan gives them a spirit of divination, fear, of the world, and the anti-Christ spirit. So all of these evils come from Satan and is the heads of this woman. It is these evil spirits upon which this whore church sits and feeds upon her evil flesh, or words. Any of these kinds of spirits prove a person or church or organization is of Satan and not of God. You can check out which of these spirits in this message a person exhibits and see if they are of God or of Satan. You shall know them by their fruits. These spirits are their fruits.
By: Jo Smith Nov. 4, 2006 (from Larry) freeborn, let me say with Tweety, this is a message, and thanks for it. Just before getting on here, I was reading in the word that goes along with this. (People are totally deceived to think that if we attempt to correct error, we are not in the spirit of love and unity.(Freeborn) To this I agree and they also think we should not reprove evil. Now here is what I was reading. It makes it crystal clear and I need not add my comments to it. It is self explainable. This is what I was reading. Eph 5:1 | Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; |
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| Eph 5:2 | And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. |
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| Eph 5:3 | But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; |
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| Eph 5:4 | Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. |
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| Eph 5:5 | For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. |
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| Eph 5:6 | Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. |
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| Eph 5:7 | Be not ye therefore partakers with them. |
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| Eph 5:8 | For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: |
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| Eph 5:9 | (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) |
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| Eph 5:10 | Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. |
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| Eph 5:11 | And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. |
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Again, I repeat, I know no such thing as this lesous you speak of. ?so if you mean Jesus Christ, please refer to him as this to me so I will know who or what you mean. That 'lesous' is the PAGAN, not what I teach. Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Now there is where Jesus told us, All (not some, ALL) Power in heaven and earth is given to me. Jesus never claimed to be God or equal with God. He said, My Father is greater than I. God is the one who set Jesus up on the throne of God, and made him equal with God. This was after his resurrection and ascention to Heaven. This is Hebrews one. Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Now there God said for the angels of God to worship his Son. He also made Jesus to be God right there. read verse nine. This is why Thomas called Jesus, My Lord and My God, after his resurrection. Thomas received this revelation from God. But until his resurrection, Jesus was not God. He was fully a human being. No he had no earthly father. The Holy Ghost caused Mary to conceive, but the Holy Ghost did not do it as man does it. It was God's power causing life. God created Adam from dirt. He created Eve from Adam's rib. what makes you think he could not make a human baby just from Mary's body? Jesus said, God is a Spirit. I am quite sure he knew more about it than you do. I know you will not be able to see this, but Isa 54 is about Jesus, not Israel. Here is where the revelation is of Jesus being the wife of God.....also there is much more on this subject....but I simply cannot deal with all of that tonight. I have many messages here proving all of this. Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine HUSBAND; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. |
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msn-freeborn551 wrote on Nov 16, '07 Seven Spirit of God? God and Jesus Message board. Is this some kind of magical Christian formula Freeborn? You said: "4. Truth. 5. Glory 6. Life 7. And the spirit of prophecy. So with these seven spirits we may become in His image. With God’s seven spirits upon Jesus, he could become in the image of God. Does this make any sense to you? Iesous and all mankind are already the image of the God. There is no becoming to this fact. When we were born, we were the image of God. Or, Genesis did not say man was created in the image of God?
Genesis one is not about man being created from the dust of the ground. That is in chapter two. Chapter one is about the life and resurrection of Jesus. So far, Jesus is the only one who has come into immortality, or the IMAGE OF GOD. What do you think the image of the earthly is, if we are already in the image of God? Then what is the image of the heavenly? And if we are already in the image of God, when did we bear the image of the earthly? And why be changed? Why the mortal is swallowed up of the immortal? Why the corruptible changed into incorruptible? Do you think God is mortal and corruptible? Do you think death is at work in God? Then if we were already in his image, death could not be in us either. You surely are off into delusions and false ideas. |
Me: Yes. Let me say here, Shachar24, that I am glad to see you debating and willing to discuss these things. I truly wish more people would do so. This is the way to get to the truth. Do not fight. Study peacefully with each other. Yes, Genesis one is about Jesus Christ, not Adam. Jesus Christ is the man who was created in the image of God. The sixth day is the day he was resurrected from the dead. the man who was created from the dust of the ground was in Genesis two. This was the first-man, Adam. I do believe this first man had a glorified body and fell from that, when he sinned. Since that fall, all people have borne the image of the earthly, not of the heavenly. We are not in the image of God now. If so, we would not have to die. These mortal bodies are NOT the image of God. God is a spirit. We are not a spirit. When Jesus rose from the dead, then he was the first one of us mortals to be created into the image of God. We will not be in the image of God until we come out of that grave, in a glorified body. How could you think that sinful man is the image of God? Yes, I am glad you can quote Scripture. But quoting Scripture does not mean you have the truth of that Scripture. Many quote Scriptures, but turn around and teach a false doctrine. You ideas must agree with all Scripture in order to be truth. If you think we are in the image of God, the heavenly, now, when did we bear the image of the earthly. That is certainly a very sensible question. And you need to deal with it. Adam lost his image of God when he sinned. Mankind has not had it back since that time. He was that anointed Cherub in Eze. 28. But he lost that glory. Jesus Christ was born on this earth as first-man Adam, meaning human. He had to fully obey God and not sin, then die and go into hell in order to save us and get us back to that glorious image of God. When Jesus was resurrected is when he was created in the image of God. This is Jesus speaking in prophecy: Ps 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. He showed that he would AWAKE (resurrection) in the likeness of God. He was not in that likeness before his death. Ps 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt DESPISE their image. That shows that when the Lord, (Jesus) awoke, (resurrected) he would DESPISE their image. He despises this image of sinful man. And if the resurrection morning catches any still in this unchanged image of sinful man, God will despise this and send that one to hell fire. Be warned. We are not in the image of God now. We are in the image of sinful man. Here is proof that Jesus was in the image of sinful man while on this earth: Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Not only this, but the word says that he is the beginning of the CREATION of God. He is the firstborn from the DEAD. You are not and will not be in the image of God until you come forth from the DEAD, into glorification.
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msn-shachar24 wrote on Nov 16, '07 # 13: Yes, Genesis one is about Jesus Christ, not Adam. Jesus Christ is the man who was created in the image of God. The sixth day is the day he was resurrected from the dead. the man who was created from the dust of the ground was in Genesis two. This was the first-man, Adam. I do believe this first man had a glorified body and fell from that, when he sinned. Kindly show me your Scriptural proof of the above statement. Now I won't be discussing here until after sundown Saturday evening, which begins the first day of the week for this is going by Hebrew time, and Shabbat begins at sunset Fridays. |
Those who teach people that they are gods, are not of God, and ....telling human beings that they are gods is such evil. It is true that we have God's spirit in us, if he gave us the Holy Ghost, which she certainly does NOT HAVE. But it is not true that we have been BEGOTTEN of God. Jesus was his only begotten Son. And that was at the resurrection. Certianly God called Jesus his son before that. We are also now sons of God.......but not BEGOTTEN. That is the secret. she knows nothing about the secrets of God, because he is not teaching her. she flat denies the gifts of His Spirit, so he gives her none of them. We now have the EARNEST of our inheritance, BUT NOT THE FULL BIRTH INTO THE IMAGE OF GOD. That only happens at the resurrection. That is when GOD BEGETS A SON IN HIM IMAGE, AT THE RESURRECTION. Before that , we have the EARNEST of that full inheritance. It was the same with Jesus. God does not contradict himself....if he said, he begot his son the day he raised Jesus from the dead (Rom. 1 and Acts 13), then that is when he begot his son. Why did he say Isaac was Abrahams ONLY BEGOTTEN SON? See? Secrets. Abraham had seven other sons. why was Isaac the only begotten son? We are now sons of God, BUT IT DOES NOT YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE, FOR WHEN HE APPEARS, THEN WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS, FOR WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM......THEN. That is the day we will be begotten of our Father, Jesus. But he now has a seed in us.. sons, yet not begotten......YET.
[Secret: Issac was the one of Abraham's sons, which was begotten, (spiritually brought into) the image of Abraham. See that Issac bears the same place in God, which Abraham did. Jesus bears the same place in life, as God does, for he became spiritually into the same image as his God.]
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msn-joie wrote on Aug 22, '05 The Scripture in Isa. 11: is part of the answer to this question. You did good in finding that. Now I just need to caution you about one thing which is utmost importance in coming to the truth of the Word. It is VERY important to only say Scripture the way it is stated in the Book. If......IF you change it one bit, you will make it be twisted to something which is NOT meant,,thereby causing you to learn error. When you say Jesus is the completeness of the Godhead......this is changing what is actually stated and meant. The reason people change these kinds of verses it to try to get the Scripture to say what they think it is supposed to say... for their church taught it to them wrong.....so they must try and make it fit......but truth of it is....it DOES NOT FIT. Now the truth of this is the Word says that in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead BODILY. This is only stating that God the Father GAVE Jesus the very same power and authority which God himself has........after the resurrection of Jesus. (Jesus being a human man, had this power of God inside himself.) It is not saying that Jesus is the completeness of the Godhead. No, the Word teaches that God is the HEAD of Jesus. You cannot change this. Head......means the authority over him. Now, it has been a while since I asked this question. Since no one picked up on it, I had forgotten it. Thank you for bringing this back up. So, let's name the seven spirits of God: Isa. 11: 2-- # 1. The Spirit of the LORD = God the Father's Spirit. Jesus said the Spirit of the Lord God is UPON me, for He hath anointed ME. # 2. the spirit of wisdom and understanding #3. the spirit of counsel and might # 4. the spirit of knowledge and..... # 5. the fear of the LORD # 6. the Holy Ghost....Mark 1:10...the Spirit as a dove decended upon Jesus. # 7. the Spirit of TRUTH. John 14:17. Now the Word says that all seven of these spirits was upon Jesus......that is those seven eyes. You gave a good answer to this. Joie |
I must get you to understand that you MUST READ IT EXACTLY, or be guilty of adding to it, taking away from it,,,,,,changing it. Now did not God say this punishable by eternal death? Sure he did......so then how can you conclude that is more righteous to just speak around it, surmise, instead of going exactly by what is written.......after all,,,,,didn't you say the written word should be the final authority? I thought you meant it. Now here is exactly what Col. 2:9 really says: For IN him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Now where did you read in that where it said Jesus IS the fulness of the Godhead? I did not read that. NO wonder you said we must not go exactly by what is written. Now when did God authorize you to change the Word and rearrange it? God said do not add to his words, lest you be found a liar. If we are not to take it exactly as He gave it, then why would he warn us not to add one word or take away one word to his own Word? You better take this to heart.
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