is baptism necessary

s baptism necessary? message written by Larry Bray:

rom: Isaiah· (Original Message) Sent: 7/29/2003 2:40 PM

There was a question and answer to this that was on another thread that I answered but this also should be a new message

Question?

If a person is not Baptised in water do you think he or she will go to this burning Hell that everyone believes in?

Yes I Do

Yes I do believe that baptism is a necessary part of our salvation. Reference to baptism goes all the way back to Moses in reference to Israel passing through the Red Sea and covered by the cloud.

1 Cor 10:2 - And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; ( It identifies us with the death, ( repentance dying out of that old man) burial ( baptism) resurrection (coming forth as a new man) ( See we are buried with him by baptism into death so that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. ( See this is how we become part of the body of Christ through baptism.)

Mark 16:16- He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. ( So this scripture alone should answer any question that any one has about baptism being a part of our salvation.)

This is not part of the question but I also see according to scripture that you have to be baptize in a river or some large body of water.

John 3:23 -And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Math 3:6- And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. ( See repentance and baptizing go together you can not separate them. We know they were repenting because they were confessing their sins. So in the plan of salvation there must be repentance and baptism.

3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

The reason that I brought these 2 scriptures out is to show you where they were baptized, in the river Jordon which was a river according to history that was the one river of Palestine, has its course of little more than 200 miles (300 km), from the roots of Anti-Lebanon to the head of the Dead Sea. That there was much water there.

Baptism is not something we should neglect because it is a commandment from Jesus himself.

Math 28:18- And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

28:19- Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

28:20 - Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. ( See it was a commandment)

Gal 3: 27- For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

( Now what is this saying? here he says we put on Christ when we were baptized. So if you have not been baptized according to what I see you have not put on Christ. To put on Christ you must be baptized.

Baptism is part of God's plan of salvation but not the only thing. Only a part. If you take on only baptism it is no good. You must first repent as saith the scripture. If they do not repent all anyone does if baptism is the only thing they do is to go down in water a dry sinner and come back up a wet sinner.

John 3: 5 states- Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ( I hope you see who said this. It was not Isaiah that said it, so how can anyone see that without the baptism in water you cannot be saved?

Jesus himself was baptized and we are to follow his example****

1 Peter 2:21- For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: IF WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE STEPS OF JESUS WHAT MUST WE DO? DO AS JESUS DID. Let’s see what he done.

Math 3: 13- 17-- Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

3:14 - But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

3:15 -And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. ( so why did Jesus have to be baptized? According to this scripture to fulfill all righteousness.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so if Jesus had to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness do we think that we can not do it? Are we going on our own righteous when we say that we don’t have to be baptized when Jesus had to. Just doesn’t make sense to me.

3:16 -And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: ( also see he came out of the water meaning he had to be in much water>>

3:17 -And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased ( See if you are baptized God will well pleased with it and you also become his Son.>>

So Hoss I hope this answers your question, yes I do believe you have to be baptized to be saved. If not why would it be in the word of God and some form of baptism is found in the bible I think 92 times. Does anyone think that is not important why would it be there this many times>>>

May God Bless

Isaiah, that is a marvelous, good message. That is so clearly the truth of the Written Word, I say anyone who refuses this is WILLFULLY BLIND AND REBELLIOUS TO GOD.

Know what happened? God showed me this. At the starting of rebellion from the Catholic bunch, they started taking away all the truth of the Word and inserting in their own mangled, messed up puke and called it salvation; for which the people had to pay and pay and pay. anyone who refused their lies was tortured and killed.

Now they claim baptism is not part of salvation. They even go so far as to drop baptism altogether and inserted sprinkling. Now if enough people claim and say a thing enough, most everyone will come to believe them. So all the churches claim baptism is NOT part of salvation, so almost everyone believes this lie.

But you gave enough Written Scripture to prove to any honest-hearted person that it is a lie; Baptism is necessary to salvation. Just as much as believing, repenting, holy living, etc.

I fully believe if time continues on much longer, all the churches, including the present-day Pentecostals, will follow suit, (of mama) and give up baptism altogether and go to sprinkling.

Know why I think this? Just look at the route they are already taking>>> giving up outdoor baptism in large bodies of water, ( if much water is not important, the Word would not have put this is; both people HAVE to

be in the water)>>>>>>>> but look how the misguided daughter churches, including the Pentecostals, have gone to indoor, tub baptisms. Now they have it so the one doing the baptizing can stand outside the 'tub' and not even get wet.

It is MOCKERY to God's chosen way of Baptism. Yes, they will all go to sprinkling before it is over with.

They have all lost sight of what Baptism really is and why it is; so they will lose sight of the need for immersion.

Just you wait and see!

Jo