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Date Posted:11/23/2014 9:44 PMCopy HTML

Why the 144000 are not only of natural birth
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From: chaztwoblade  (Original Message)Sent: 8/12/2001 10:54 PM
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [andthere were] sealed an hundred [andforty [andfour thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
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When reading the scriptures one could easily interpret that when the word is referring to the 144000 it means

Rev 7:4 ........ four thousand of all the tribes of the  children of Israel.

 

For later in the chapter it refers to the 12 tribes of Isreal by Name . This is a fair interpretation indeed if we use this logic then we have to understand the standing of the 144000 to Christ

 

 
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virginsThese are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goethThese were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
 

Redeemed from among men

 

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion,and with him an hundred forty [andfour thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne,and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [andforty [andfour thousand,which were redeemed from the earth.
 

The 144000 are the FIRSTFRUITS of ALL MANKIND these are the very first of Gods Harvest the Best chosen and given to the Lord.

 

 
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virginsThese are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth
 

They follow Christ whereever he goes  only they have this right as scripture teaches

 

 
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand
 

They also sing a song that No man can learn other than themselves

The 144000  Are the very servants of Christ sanctified for Holy service to the Lord It seems very clear and cut out the translation as being indeed a group off Natural Jews who are Born through natural blood lineage that have this priviledge I would agree with this if It didnt interfere with Christ's sayings and His very mention of the selection process

 

 
Mar 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, [the same] shall be last of all, and servant of all
 

Jesus in this very scripture gives the selection process to all mankind by saying

Mar 9:35 .......ANY MAN desire to be first

 
Mar 10:31 But many [that are] first shall be lastand the lastfirst.
 

Christ even suggests that within this selection those who were chosen first would in the end be last this is a general statement across the board wether it be for culture or ones walk with the Lord.

 

Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
 

Even in the selection for greatness in Gods kingdom Christ said it was For all of Mankind note in this statement

 

Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as thisLITTLE CHILD
 
 

Christ in referring to LITTLE CHILD as being great in the Kingdom gives greatness to all of the Children in the world note it isnt said the greatest would be ALL THE ISREALITE CHILDREN OF NATURAL BIRTH

 
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren
 

 

Luk 8:20 And it was told him [by certain] which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.
Luk 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
 

Christ calls all THOSE THAT DO THE WORD his Family

 

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all
 

Paul even agrees with Christ statements as all the scriptures above undoubtably prove. Lets be sensible here in interpreting the 144000 literally you have all seperated this chioce by blood lineage saying to all that the most important position given to the Saints will only be given to those of Blood lineage as the rest are restricted because of thier birth. This is against all the Fundermental teachings of Scripture. It is much more easier to explain the rest of the revelation scripture as Us the Human race being all the 12 tribes of Isreal than leaving the interpretation only to those of natural Birth mind this statement as I feel that would be a bigoted reasoning neglecting all the righteous that are deserving from the other races

Chaz

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Re:Why the 144000 are not of natural birth

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From: joieSent: 8/14/2001 2:25 PM
 Chatswoblade,

This message is so very true.  Most people are in total confusion about these things.  Two nights ago, I had really been praying for God to take me deeper into the word.  As I was praying and mediating, God said to me   "thousand does not mean numbers".  Well, I knew that God had said it to me.  As always, when he tells me something I seek for proof in the Word.  I asked Him, then what does it mean to you.

I looked up 'thousand' in the Hebrew dictionary.  It showed that this word's original meaning was not a number,  but it meant to learn,  then to teach, utter.  It meant the mother, the bond of the family;  it meant the ox head, which it said, was the first letter of their alphabet.  The 'ox' is the first stage of Christian experience; the first head of the four faced living creature.

Then, I looked up  twelve;  this has almost the same meaning;  not a number.  Then, cubic,  this also meaning the same thing.  Year   also has this kind of meaning;  so does,  day,  time,  and month.

So, then the next night, the Lord kept me awake almost all night showing me things I had never known before. 

The 'thousand' years is not refering to a certain number of  years.  It is a condition of a certain time.  The 144,000 does not mean that many people.  The 12,000 sealed does not mean that many people.  It has not one thing to do with   'how many'.  Twelve means, in the Hebrew tongue of the Scriptures,  to double, and other things I will not take the space to type here.  You look these things up, and study it.

12 x 12  gives the 144.  This is doubling it.  The description of the Holy City shows the gates to have on them the names of the 12 tribes of Israel;  not the natural people, but the true people of God; from all nations.

The 12 foundations has the names of the 12 apostles;  this means they laid the foundation; the new testament teachings.  All of the true Christians are in this City. 

The walls of 144cubics.  But this, is not a distance measure.  It is made up of all God's people.  It said the height and breath are equeal = 4 square;  but this is not showing arctecture;  it shows that the o.t. and n.t. saints are all there as part of this Holy City.

The 144,000 is not how many;  it shows that after he sealed those teachers (the 12,000 from each tribe)  the great multitude, of Rev.7:9 came in.  He said they were from  ALL  nations, kindreds, peoples, and tongues.   Every one of them;  this includes the natural Jews and everyone else.  This is all of God's people from the beginning with Eve.

The 1,000 years is also not a certain number of years.  I will go into this in another message.

Jo

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